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electric "winch in the nose" poposal 5 years 2 months ago #52

  • Red Scholefield
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What is the status of the electric "winch in the nose" (ALES) proposal. Sure would like to see it approved so I can get more active in soaring and going after higher levels.

Re: electric "winch in the nose" poposal 5 years 2 months ago #53

  • Iain Glithero
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I agree, I had to give up on Level 5 due to the unavailablity of large contests in the state where I live.
With the dawn of ALES the interest is causing much greater participation in club and regional events. Maybe I will have a chance to complete level V before my eyesight fails me, even if I must start over at I again with my e-soarer.

Iain

Re: electric "winch in the nose" poposal 4 years 10 months ago #70

  • Ed Anderson
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Is there a formal proposal under consideration right now?

Re: electric "winch in the nose" poposal 4 years 9 months ago #71

  • Tim McCann
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It ain’t gonna happen. Just do the tasks as laid out in original SAP and have an accomplishment you can be proud of. The advanced levels are prestigious because they are hard.

Re: electric "winch in the nose" poposal 4 years 9 months ago #72

  • Ed Anderson
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Oh, I don't care personally. I am not pursuing the tasks.

I don't see how electric launch, especially ALES style, makes the tasks any easier but there is no need to debate that.

I was just curious to know if a proposal was under review. Thanks for your reply.

electric "winch in the nose" poposal 4 years 5 months ago #89

  • Michael McGowan
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I have to reflect upon the transformation of LSF since I first encountered it. I hear the resistance to electric launch versus winch launch but have to wonder where those objectors were when the tasks were performed via high-start. Also, I observed a fellow repeating his LSF tasks using modern lift sensors and gyros. Location, support and income are everything when it comes to Level 5! So, maybe you want to have asterisks or stars for those who were solo and/or flat landers versus those who live beside 24 hour slopes with club members providing meals, drinks, & potty breaks!

Good on you and you are to be admired. A flat lander working out of a field too small for your winch and not using your thermal sniffer launches an R/C sailplane via electric motor to 500 feet and thermals for 1 hour without power assist and that accomplishment is not good enough?

Well, I gotta tell you something very important, nobody really gives a "s**t"! When you die and visit the pearly gates, be sure to tell God about your "pure" accomplishment!

Get real! ELSF is a much needed shot in the arm for LSF! Wake up, smell the roses, move on and go with the flow! Have fun, spread the joy, grow the hobby, and quit fretting that someone might be a better flier than you! The hobby is not only about developing an International team! If the "purists" rule then the hobby is dead! They want it that way! They won once and want the game to be over!

Mike McGowan

electric "winch in the nose" poposal 4 years 1 month ago #108

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Looks like it is finally going to happen. I predict a significant jump in membership due to this. Great move!

electric "winch in the nose" poposal 4 years 1 month ago #135

  • Jim Thomas
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Very well put Mike, I couldn't agree more. Evolve or go away, no one in the great scheme of things will give a crap. I wondered too how the purists justify doing their LSF level work with computer radios, vacuum bagged wing technology with computer designed airfoils, and modern winches when the founders only had simple, non-mixing radios, built up/"top of the shoe" airfoils, and hi-starts. Kinda makes you wonder what the real issue is.

JT
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