BarbR wrote: Wow! Your comments just reinforce that the real issues being proposed are not being addressed with all this dialogue. I quote from the proposal "The leadership of the League of Silent Flight would like to integrate those pilots who fly electric-powered sailplanes into the League of Silent Flight (LSF) without modifying or disturbing the existing SAP. As the By Laws of the LSF do not allow modifications to the existing LSF Soaring Achievement Program (SAP), we are proposing a parallel SAP for ALES equipped sailplanes." Obviously the current SAP cannot be amended and the so-called parallel program will be integrated into the current LSF without any differentiation between which plane you used to accomplish the levels. My reference to the threads that suggested "a majority of the flying between launch and landing be done without any motor power" is what generated my comments about the unfairness of this comment. I realize this is not in the original proposal but all these threads are being sent to try to convince the board to amend the proposal. Since there is already an existing electric soaring program, I don't see why LSF even needs to consider the "integration" of electric sailplanes into the current LSF. As to why there is so much discussion, it appears to be because some people have too much time on their hands to just address the issue proposed! Clearly you didn't even understand my comment about letting the electric sailplane pilots amend the existing program they currently have (not the current LSF) and you are missing the fact that the proposal will "integrate" the electric sailplanes into the current LSF program without any differentiation between whether you achieve your level in LSF under the original SAP or with an electric sailplane. You are wrong, I don't agree with the current proposal and you need to read it closer to see that it will be "integrated" into the current LSF program.
Let us not confuse LSF and SAP, they are two different things. You may have thought they were the same thing but they are not. LSF is an organization that promotes soaring in all forms, as per the LSF web site.
Among the things that LSF does is administers a soaring achievement program that addresses only part of the soaring community. The proposal posted on the LSF web site looks to change that so that there is a separate but equal program to address more of the soaring community, those who launch their gliders with onboard motors.
It will integrate eSAP into the LSF program, not the SAP program. That means that LSF members would have equal standing within LSF regardless of whether they are working the SAP or the eSAP program, or at least that is how I read it.
As for the program the electric sailplane pilots have, do you mean that obscure program started by someone not associated with LSF? It is irrelevant to the LSF and to this discussion.
I encourage LSF to embrace all forms of soaring. I do not endorse mixing electric SAP, eSAP and original SAP. they would be parallel programs, which is what the proposal says.
That I endorse.