waynen wrote: If the original writers of the bylaws had wanted admittance to the LSF to be accomplished solely through the current SAP then they would have locked down Article 6 as well. They didn't. If they had intended for there to be only one SAP then they would have specified that, they didn't. I said this over on the RCGroups thread, the LSF represents "ALL" soaring not just winch launch soaring. It is not unreasonable to ask them to put together a SAP for one of the most popular soaring launch forms out there.
The current proposal preserves the existing SAP as is, while adding a new and separate SAP for people to follow. Let's remember that many of the people flying ALES today are existing LSF members. ALES pilots are not the enemy, they are your fellow club members. I would say let's welcome them into the fold but many of them are already in the fold.
Wayne
Good point Wayne.
I fly winch most of the time. I own my own winch and retriever as well as two hi-starts and a couple of DLG. I compete in the Eastern Soaring League TD division and occasionally in HL too. I am an AMA certified CD and co-CD the club ESL TD contests. Both the monthly club TD contests and the two ESL TD contests we host are doing very well.
However I am also the co-CD for the club's ALES monthly contests. There are a lot of foam gliders but many of our competition TD pilots are adding electric fuselages for their Avas, Supras, Egidas, Xplorers and such for the ALES contests.
The Eastern Soaring League is opening up an electric soaring division in 2014. I have offered to be CD if our club wishes to participate in that division.
Ours is a glider club, and when new members join the club and ask what plane to buy we recommend the Radian over all others. The success rate has been outstanding. Many achieve senior pilot status quickly and many participate in the club ALES contests.
As these pilots advance in their skills, they usually add a full house e-glider to the fleet. Some also take up pure gliders.
We have 3 club winches and retrievers and probably 7 personal winches and 4 personal retrievers in the club so there is no shortage of launch equipment. On almost any good day, you will see a winch at the field. We have a beautiful field with plenty of room for a winch. And a lot of our members have hi-starts and hand launched gliders too.
But electric launched is the club recommended path to soaring. As one of the club instructors I used to promote the LSF SAP to new glider pilots, but not any more. These new pilots don't qualify with their e-gliders. In fact many will never really hear much about LSF or become part of LSF as LSF has nothing for them and does not welcome them.
This is how it is in a club that is a strong glider club, with lots of contests both locally and regionally. The interest in LSF is likely to diminish over time if e-glider pilots are not welcomed into the organization.