Folks: Let's agree to discuss the attributes of proposals not one's personal credentials.
Shall we also agree to accept the purpose of the LSF as described in the Bylaws:
ARTICLE IV - PURPOSE
Section 1 - The primary purpose of the LSF is to provide collective identification for active radio control soaring enthusiasts throughout the world and to recognize individual proficiency and accomplishment through a defined program of standard performance criteria for radio controlled (R/C) model sailplanes.
Section 2 - The secondary purpose of the LSF is to foster and support all phases of sporting and competitive activity for R/C model sailplanes; to encourage personal and collective advancement in knowledge of aerodynamics and related arts and sciences; and to promote the general interest in soaring flight.
Ok, so the primary purpose is: 1. To get a sticker, and 2. To recognize individual skill. (for example name on a plaque at AMA)
Frankly I’m not into stickers and haven’t replaced the sticker on my Paragon that I bungeed with the Rx off, perfectly trimmed in a thermal, drifting over two mi2 of trees in 1987. Camaraderie at events is what draws me, and most of us like to watch the top pilots. There are 28million golfers in the US and about 10,000 are pros. Most of the amateurs like to watch the pros. The US Golf Association includes them all.
But I would like to see the LSF: “foster and support all phases of sporting and competitive activity for R/C model sailplanes;”
I simply ask the central question: DOES THE LSF SUPPORT ALL PHASES OF SPORTING AND COMPETITIVE R/C MODEL SAILPLANES?
Would we agree that ALES launched sailplanes is a PHASE of R/C model sailplanes? And it certainly qualifies as competitive.
I know we all agree on sloping and string launch as a phase since it is defined in the SAP task.
(BTW handlaunch is also referred to in the task but I’m curious to know if anyone been able to achieve level V by only using a handlaunch sailplane? Seems like the 8 hour slope and/or 2 hour thermal would not be achievable with a single design HL sailplane given current battery technology. Just a side note.)
So the current task covers sloping, string, and handlaunch sailplanes? Yes? – No?
Aerotow launch is certainly a phase of R/C model sailplanes. But I’m not sure there are enough competitions to qualify it for a separate SAP task, since it is currently specifically excluded. The LSF effectively says we do not recognize skill level for aerotow pilots. I’m fine with that. But I wouldn’t want the LSF to say or infer we don’t’ support aerotow soaring. But let’s leave that one for a future discussion.
OK so we are back to ALES launch. And the central question. …DOES the LSF SUPPORT ALL PHASES?
There are two separate items on the table as I see it. And before we endorse an eSAP we need to answer the larger
question as above.
The only way the LSF currently supports “Competitive” activity is that it runs the AMA Nats. Are we all in or not?
If we support competitions it seems like we should have an eSAP. After all, our current SAP supports “precision aerobatic slope soaring” contests. When was the last time the LSF put that on their calendar? eSAP doesn’t seem like that big a stretch for our organization.
Separate item #1. If so: Be the SIG for all soaring events (ALES) at AMA. If not: Don’t be the SIG
Separate item #2. If so: Develop an eSAP. If not: do nothing
My preference: I’d like the LSF to continue to be the SIG for ALL sailplane activities at the AMA.
I support Ed’s eSAP with Ashton’s & Preston’s modified (safety) rules.
Maybe we should take the SIG issue off the table since this is an ESAP forum.
On a personal note, I would suggest Ed Anderson is one of the leading advocates and ambassadors for R/C soaring on the East coast. (sorry I couldn’t help it)
On a practical note, we need 2/3 of all the living level IV & V’s to approve the eSAP . Does anyone know if that is reasonable?
From Bylaws:
“That vote must also contain affirmative votes of two-thirds (2/3) of the then current living Level IV’s and Level V’s.”
John Jenks