dHarban wrote: Ed, let me lay it out for you from the standpoint of a Level IV LSF member who is exclusively flying powered gliders now and who has a clear and enthusiastic vision of the future of powered glider flying.
Failing to provide some reasonable way to distinguish between those who complete their achievements via the SAP and those who complete their achievements via an ESAP will substantially cheapen the achievement for those who have come up through the existing SAP program -- at least in the immediate future.
The declining number of participants in the SAP is the result of two factors. The one we all obsess about is the overall decline in participation in RC soaring competition. The other one, which is related to the first, is that over the years it has become much more difficult to complete the SAP achievements -- especially the Level IV and Level V tasks. While advances in technology have made the Flight Tasks more easy, reduced competition opportunities combined with substantial improvements in skill levels at the top have made the existing SAP (especially Level V) much more difficult than they were back in the day when I completed my Level IV. Back then there were ample "Club Level" comps with 20 or so participants to make the Level V wins achievable in combination with a couple of top 20 percent finishes in abundant regional or national competitions. Had I not gotten side tracked with sailboat racing, I had no doubt that my Level V could be easily completed within a couple of years.
Not any more. Competitions are farther and fewer and with less entrants. The meets big enough to qualify for Level V are more than amply loaded with competitors which regularly podium place in national and international comps.
So we start up an ESAP in an exciting field of competition where, frankly, the numbers are pretty good and the skill levels are not up to the general standards of SAP comps. I am sure that someone will take exception to this, but whether we like it or not, this is the truth. It will change, but not overnight.
So no matter how you slice it, in the early years of the new ESAP, it will be easier to achieve any particular level of achievement than it currently is with the SAP. Yet the guy who achieves any particular level of the ESAP gets to display the same "badges". The issue is not about scarcity or abundance. Its not about SAP guys selfishly wanting to "protect their turf". Its about respecting the accomplishments of the SAP guys by not cheapening their achievements.
In time the ESAP may become as difficult, or even more difficult than the SAP. But until that time, we should respect the difference.
Happy Landings,
Don
Don,
Thank you for posting this, now I am understanding some people's thought process regarding the new eSAP being "easier" than the original. I was having a hard time trying to figure out how eSAP could be easier when the only difference is the method of launch, since as written now, pretty much eSAP is a mirror to the original.
Please correct me if I'm wrong but it looks like people are upset that there will be more OPPORTUNITIES and therefore be able to advance thru the levels in a shorter period of time. Would these same people be upset at some young kid who did not have to work for a living, was able to fly everyday and practice, and happened to live in an area which was a soaring hot bed (So. Cal., Phoenix, East Coast Soaring League, Denver, etc) and crank thru his/her levels as opposed to someone who lived out in the sticks and had to earn a living, schedule time away from the job and family, plus make travel arrangements? From what I have seen here, probably. But then that is the competitive nature of humans.
Curtis, you state "This is because the cross country tasks are easier with the ability to restart. I'm certainly more apt to go further out down low looking for lift with an electric motor in the nose than I am without." Yet doesn't it say in the proposal that if you restart it voids that attempt? I'd say it gives the pilot a safety crutch and enables him to learn and more importantly gain confidence in his abilities. He still has to hone his skills and complete the task without using the motor after launching. On the other hand, someone could keep launching under the original SAP and eventually blunder thru the requirements if he lived in an area which always had hat-sucking thermals on a day in which even a barn door would soar. What can be done about that person? Then as someone has previously mentioned, look at the advances in technology and the performance capabilities of today's sailplanes, as opposed to the ships flown in the beginning. Technology is definitely making the tasks easier, yet no one is jumping up and down wanting to make changes limiting what ships can be used.
I agree with many here that I am a little disappointed that the revised proposal did not change much, after all of this discussion and many good ideas and points. I also know that no matter what we do, someone, somewhere, will not be happy. But when I think of the SAP, eSAP, and the purpose of the LSF, a quote from the movie
Cars pops to mind: "Well, the road didn't cut through the land like that interstate. It moved with the land, it rose, it fell, it curved. Cars didn't drive on it to make great time. They drove on it to have a great time."
Just thoughts to ponder.
Scott